Comment from: Steve Hyland [Visitor] Email
I'm not sure I'm buying the 8000hr lifetime for CFL, just based on vague experience. We've had several (4 or 5?) die in the 2 years since we rented this house, and there weren't any here before. Some failed in 18 months or less.

I think humidity might be a factor though. It says not to use them in damp places (like bathrooms,) and we don't, but the high humidity here in Oregon might be a factor.

The good news though, is that LED "bulbs" seem to be coming. They save even more power, and they might well last forever if built correctly. But the price is very steep now, for very dim ones. The best I've seen so far was $25 for the equivalent of a 15-watt incandescent. I don't remember the power usage but it was very small; also I couldn't find anything any brighter. I don't remember the service life either but I expect it's really, really long.

Here's hoping pricing and service life strategies don't keep LED lighting costs high indefinitely. Part of the way they set prices seems to be based on how long it lasts, so they can keep replacement costs about the same.

But despite high initial cost, environmental impact of all sorts (not just mercury) would be super low because of greatly reduced power usage. I'll hunt some of these up again and see if I can get more numbers like service life, brightness vs. power usage, and price.

p.s. despite being ugly, a naked bulb hanging from the ceiling is much better than putting it in a fixture or a lamp with a shade, as to how much it will effectively brighten the room. Fixtures and shades, even glass ones, absorb a lot of light output. Maybe we can come up with something prettier that diffuses the light without so much loss.
01/24/11 @ 01:15
Comment from: Steve Hyland [Visitor] Email
Hmm... I did a little checking on-line and I may have to eat my words... That post was pretty long, so wish me bon appetit.

LED lights are inferior to CFL, at least for now. Service life is around 50% longer; I expected more. But, at least for now, they suck in every other way.
Only 40 lumens/watt, with immensely higher initial cost per lumen.

Here's hoping the state-of-the-art for LEDs makes some leaps and bounds.
01/24/11 @ 06:01
Comment from: quixjote [Member]
Steve, I am sorry you have not had much luck with CFL. All the places that I have lived have done well at controlling the humidity. My house now stays right around 35-40% and I still have one CFL bulb that I have been using since my last house I lived in 4 years ago (It is on maybe 4-8 hrs a day, a lamp in my bedroom).

The CFL's that I have had the most issue with are the outside ones, and I too believe that is has to do with the humidity factor. In fact, I just bought a CFL reflector bulb for the front porch because it was rated for outdoor use and floodlights... When it works, it works beautifully, but there are times when even closing the door will, I don't know, disrupt the signal? It will not turn on again unless I turn off the outside lights for 15 or so min.

I knew there would be some sort of price comparison between the different bulbs so I set one up just compared with bulbs found at Home Depot. These are all can style reflector bulbs since that is what I use at my house.
Since I tend to put too much detail into things, I am not too surprised that the table will not fit here. If you wish to see the table, please go to http://quixjote.com/bulbCompare.html to check it out.

For now, you are correct that the LED bulbs are more expensive than CFL, but still, compared to Incandescent or Halogen they save A LOT of money. Most of the standard LED bulb replacements, while having now only slightly less lumen count, have a much cleaner light, even the softwhite models.

If you get a chance I would encourage you to take a look at the working models at home depot in Sherwood if you get a chance, I was really impressed, particularly with the home videos I saw on the smooth "Dimmability".
01/24/11 @ 08:55
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